Interview with 'the Folks,' Part Five
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Channelers note: For
understanding... if you haven't already, please
first read part one,
part two, part three and part four of this
especially the Channelers'
note at the
top of part one. In addition to what is stated
in our note there,
we'd like to mention again that while they are two
essences speaking as
one, 'the Folks' refer to themselves individually as
'Spirit' and 'the
The American Election
Channelers: As a reminder for
'the Folks' are referring only to themselves we
capitalize 'We,' Us,'
and 'Our.' When they refer to themselves and Humans
terms are not capitalized.
Folks, we've been feeling triggered
upcoming American elections this year (2008). What
can you tell us
about the transpersonal imprints that are being
triggered in us?
"For most humans, government in any
has been an intimidating form. Even when you have
been on the side the
government has favored, you have experienced
distrust of it as a form
that has had power over you. There is deep denial
of Will in any form
that moves to control behaviors.
"The American elections this year,
many other countries recently, have brought the
inner battle between
deep parts of Self more prominently into the
world. This is valuable to
the healing work because certain parts of your
deep selves that have
been in internal conflict are now projected out
onto the world stage in
the dramas of elections.
"This battle has been raging at the
layer of Being since before Earth was manifested.
When We the Creators
were completely gapped with no communication
between Us, the beings
that We had created took sides with either one or
the other of Us.
"A very deep terror of being
consumed by the Mother and her intense emotional
responses pervaded the
Spirit Polarity. In reaction to this terror in
Spirit, a whole new
class of beings emerged who called themselves 'Father Warriors.'
terror these beings felt told them that they must
control the Will
in order to protect Spirit from the Mother, and
moved to do so in
opposition to the Mother and the Will Polarity
beings they perceived as
causing their terror.
"The very fact that there has been
not to mention the tactics of deceit and denial
used by the Father
Warriors, has triggered deep terror and revulsion
in the Mother. This
battle has been reenacted many, many times in
manifestation... and each
time love has been the loser. Even the 'Mother
Warriors' who arose to
protect the Mother from the Father Warriors have
been using hatred and
denial energy to further their cause.
"This ancient transpersonal hatred
strife, this never-ending war, has felt good to a
great many humans who
have made it their own at the personal level.
There are still many on
Earth who love a good fight, and there is still
enormous energy to
prolong the ancient battle of the Father Warriors
against the Will.
Almost all of the strife in your civilization has
been in reaction to
the unconscious, frozen terror of the lost Will in
your lower chakras.
"The 'world economy' is another
an intimidating form in your civilization where
fear is triggered to
help fortify the position of those who 'own'
things. The perceived need
and very premise for civilization is to protect
those who have
ownership of material abundance from those who
don't. And this too has
been a reenactment of the ancient battle the
Father Warriors have been
waging against the Will.
"You have been feeling terror and
in your politics recently because this lost Will
in humanity is being
triggered more than usual. Still operating is the
ancient strategy of
the Father Warriors to trigger fear in the
population and then show
that only they have the power to protect the
population. This strategy
was used when they first came to Earth and is
being used now to see
that their human surrogates win the current
election. Any effort to go
up against this will only trigger more denied
terror, and the Father
Warriors will simply use it to show everyone why
they should stay in
Thank you Folks, what do you suggest
here by way of healing?
"First, find the frozen terror in
that has been triggered by the world stage events,
and bring the light
of loving acceptance to your own lost Will. You
can do this more easily
when you remember that you are truly safe and that
the world stage
events are happening for the purpose of triggering
this frozen terror
so that full loving acceptance and healing can
finally come to it.
"As your Will essence begins to
your acceptance, you also have a good opportunity
to take your
projections off of the economic leaders and
politicians on the world
stage. You can now own them as parts of
yourselves, which they truly
are. The Father Warriors and their strategies of
denial are alive
within your deep Being. Bring the ancient war home
to the only place it
can be healed, inside of you. You will be
pleasantly surprised by the
powerful results of owning and healing the
perpetrators within yourself.
"The outer political beliefs that
opposite of yours are being held inside of you by
parts of yourself
that you have been unconscious of, parts that are
still in your shadow.
These are fragments of spirit that can lead you to
the lost Will they
have been controlling. The key to doing this is in
your willingness to own
the perpetrators you've been seeing
outside of yourself as the reflections of bona
fide parts of your whole
Thank you Folks, what else can we do
this gap between loving Light and lost Will?
"You can find the qualities that
in the politicians and business leaders you don't
agree with, and then
find the parts of yourselves that have had these
qualities. You must of
course be honest with yourself, and judgment
release is vital here.
"Please remember that you have been
all along. There has been much unconsciousness,
and yet evolution
happens. All that has been unconscious is destined
to become conscious.
The main issue now is that your Human identity has
into a very small
container by the conditioning of the
civilization that has sought
to control you. The time has now come for this
conditioning to move...
your full, undenied greatness is needed for the
healing at hand."
The Truth That is Deeper Than Judgment
Thank you Folks, near the end of Part
Four of this
interview you said something similar, that as humans
we are responsible
for all that has happened in Creation. At first
glance it could seem
that this means humans are somehow at fault for all
the evil that is
present on Earth now. Would you please say more
"First, as We mentioned in that
important to make the distinction between
'responsibility' and blame or
fault. As what has been hidden within you comes
into the light of your
loving consciousness, you can see more clearly
that there really is no
valid reason for either blame or fault.
said, everyone has always been doing the
best they could with
what they were working with at the time. The only
guilt or blame that
exists is that which has been held in place by the
judgments in imprints.
Since none of those
judgments are true, neither is the guilt or blame.
"The judgments are either directly
or they spontaneously release as part of the
imprints' healing in the
clear truth of loving Light. Love is what is true,
judgments and denial
are not, and neither is the guilt or blame they
hold present in
"Although it may seem strange to
mind, it is true that everything that has happened
in this Universe has
happened the only way it could have. In other
words, everything has
happened just as it was supposed to. This is
important to know because
in order to succeed as the Healer you
will simply have to trust that the Universe has
been good and operating
correctly at all times."
The Universe is Good and
Correctly at All Times
"Obviously, there has been a
amount of evil and perpetration in the Universe.
And not so obviously
there has been an evolving movement to heal the
imprints and their
reenactments that the evil and perpetration have
been part of.
"The reenacting of ancient,
imprints has been part of a good Universe
operating correctly, moving
from pain and fragmentation toward healing and
wholeness. Now that more
Humans have become aware of the issues and have
more and more
willingness to heal these imprints, real healing
has begun in many of
these imprints... both in the human healers
themselves and in Creation
as a whole.
"In understanding responsibility,
important to know that you can be responsible only
when you decide to
take responsibility. And you can heal only what
you take responsibility
to heal. Otherwise, the healing of these ancient
imprints is left to
someone else. And if there is someone else who is
more responsible than
you... then you would be a fragment of that larger
whole, and therefore
not the Healer.
"Wholeness of Being is your
birthright as a
Human. However, by its very nature, it is not
something that can be
given to you. Your wholeness and your healing are
yours for the having,
and you can have them when you take full and
loving responsibility for
all of the evil and perpetration in Creation... as
well as for all of
the goodness and beauty."
You Are the Universe
"To get a feel for this movement,
a moment now... and imagine something good in
Creation. When you have
chosen something... observe it carefully and then
say to yourself, 'I
did that.' The 'I' who was speaking was speaking
for the deepest part
of your identity. You were speaking for Us, the
Creators in you.
"Now take another momentary pause
imagine something that's evil in Creation. When
you've thought of
something, take a deep breath... observe it
carefully and then say to
yourself, 'I did that.' Again, you spoke the truth
of the deepest part
of your identity. This is where true Human
greatness rests, in your
ultimate identity as the Universe itself... all of
it, including all
that has felt 'good' and all that has felt 'evil.'
"Now here is a vitally important
new awareness of your deepest Self as perpetrator
can lead you to one
of two places... the 'courtroom' or the
'classroom.' In the courtroom
you will find guilt for yourself as the
perpetrator, and because that
guilt is fundamentally untrue, justice will be
elusive. This is because
the courtroom is about accusations, judgments,
guilt, blame, and
suffering. In the classroom however, there is
opportunity to learn,
evolve... and heal.
"If there are judgments to release,
'bad' feeling and release
immediately feel back into the feeling without
judgment and come
into loving acceptance of the feeling energy as a
rightful part of your
"If deep denial energy is in the
sense in yourself, release that as
well. Then feel back into the feeling
essence that had to hold the
denial for so long, and own that feeling energy
too as a rightful part
of your whole Being. And of course you can also
release the denial
energy in a feeling by vibrating the feeling with
your pure, loving
acceptance until the denial energy can no longer
"If you are fully identified in the
essence you can move your body and sound the
feeling to express it.
Dance and song work well together to embody the
feeling and bring it
fully into manifestation. The denial energy in the
feeling will then
spontaneous release as the feeling's expression
moves from tortured
compression to full-bodied joy and mirth.
"As Humans begin to truly heal
your loving conscious awareness will find the
right ways to release the
denial energy that has made you unsafe to be with
the Mother. Spirit
has spoken more about this whole process of owning
the perpetrator in Redeeming
"As you awaken to your true
become responsible for what had always been left
to someone else. You,
the Healer are not to blame for the perpetration
you now take
responsibility for healing. And again, in doing
this work, the
courtroom is not an appropriate venue. However,
the classroom is.
"Although the ancient conditioning
deeply entrenched, it can be overcome with
determined perseverance and
consistent self-love. Otherwise you will find
yourself once again in
the old default place... the courtroom, where the
reenacting and you continue to experience
reversals in your life.
"Instead, use the opportunity of
awareness to intentionally foster your learning
and healing. With your
attention and willingness focused on evolving and
healing, you will be
able to move more quickly to claim your
birthright... a whole and
vibrant Will and her whole Spirit, loving
Spirit... embodied in loving
union with enough vital magnetic Mother energy to
manifestation whatever you truly desire."
Cosmic Human Identity
Thank you Folks, it seems like a good
keep ourselves in constant self-forgiveness when we
venture deeply into
the universal shadow. What you've said also seems to
again raise the
issue of identity. You suggest that Human identity
is really a cosmic
identity. How can this be?
"The sense of your constant,
identity is important to keeping you oriented as
the person you feel
yourself to be. The same person who goes to sleep
at night wakes in the
morning. However, this sense of being a separate
person who has a life
and a personal history is not all of who you are.
"Your true Human identity is with
itself. Although it may seem strange to hear, it
is accurate to say
that very few Humans have actually lived.
Except for brief
moments here and there, almost all Humans over age
five have been too
frightened to venture outside of the models of
reality and the identity
that your mind has constructed for you.
"You have believed yourselves to be
and unimportant in the grand scheme of things. And
this will remain
true for you so long as you continue to
unconsciously honor the
perspectives and beliefs that the conditioning in
your mind has held
"Your true identity is so much more
you've thought yourself to be. As
have said, Humans are amazingly vast Beings
with potentials well
beyond your present ability to imagine. You have
all of the parts of
Deity within you, and if you choose, you may
identify as any of these
parts, or as all of Deity combined... the whole
Universe and its
Creators. Of course you must first leave behind
the erroneous old
beliefs from your conditioning and the
disempowering self-hatred they
pointed out that there is a specific
identity in Deity that will
serve you well as the Healer of yourself... and
therefore of all
Creation. There is one identity that straddles
both the first and
second attention, and it is
the essence of your humanness as well.
"Your true Human greatness is not
yourself as Spirit, or as Mother, or as Heart.
Your true greatness is
in yourself as Body. Spirit has said that your identity is
flexible, that your
identity is as you choose it to be in the moment,
and that when you
choose to identify as Body, you are placing
yourself in the position of
the Healer of yourself... and therefore of
"This choice of identity is only
you are not identifying inside the mind with its
maps of pasts and
futures and stories about who you are and who
you've been. For
instance, your sense of 'I' living 'my life' is an
example of an
unreal, mentally constructed identity. What you've
known as your 'life'
is essentially a story your mind has made up about
yourself as a
separate fragment of a larger whole, 'the world.'
And this is all that
your mind can know about you... a story about the
identity of the main
character in the movie
of your life.
The mind cannot know your real, true Self.
"There is much, much more to your
than in your made-up identity as the person who
lives your life. Your
true identity is vast and well beyond your
personal story of
separation, struggle, triumph, elation, defeat,
pain and a faint,
distant longing for something you can't quite
"What the mind-made identity that
masquerading as you cannot know is the true nature
of reality, just as
it is in the present moment. While you
have been asleep and lost in the mind's
models of reality with
stories of past and future, while you have been
living in a dream-like
story that you have come to know as 'your life,'
your true Identity has
been patiently waiting for you, always here in the
moment, just outside of mind.
"However, this does not mean that
personal, mental identity is completely unreal.
Your old, familiar self
is real in that it is a part of your larger
identity. It's just that
this 'self' you've known is not all of who you
are. The small,
accustomed ego-based personal self you've called
'me' is only the tip
of a very large iceberg... the vast, universal
Self you truly are.
Grandfather has said,
true Human identity is timeless, eternal. As a
present and fully
whole Human Being, you are what brings Divinity
into manifestation, you
are the manifesting part of Deity, you are Body.
"Trust yourself as Body. When
Body you can quickly rescue the old conditioned
'you' from the traps of
the mind's conditioning and into full presence in
unconditioned reality. Whenever you want to know
how to find the
present moment, touch your body. And then as Body,
feel into the
quality of the touch. Until you go back into
thought, you are here now
in the one, eternal present moment. And of course
you can do this
practice anytime you like."
Thank you, Folks. You mentioned that
of all of
the parts of Deity, Body exists in two different
ways, in both the first
attention and second attention.
Please say more about this?
"In what is called the first
are Body as the physical form that was conceived
by your parents, born
on your birthday and has ever since been growing
and evolving as a part
of manifestation. And in the second attention, at
a deeper layer of
Self you are the cosmic Being that is both what
manifests the Universe
and is the Universe.
"Words can only be pointers here,
metaphors but not as containers of truth. The
reality of your true
identity that We are pointing to is beyond what
words can speak or the
mind can grasp. To the mind this may likely seem
to be a paradox. That
is because what We are saying must be felt
to be understood.
And as We mentioned earlier, it is only in the way
something feels that
you can truly know it."
Okay Folks, thank you very much.
note: The interview continues:
Interview with the
Folks, Part Six
One ~ Part Two
~ Part Three ~ Part Four
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