Interview with Grandfather, Part Two
Interview with Grandfather,
Part One
Grandfather Pages Index
Channelers note: The material on this page is a
continuation of both the Interview
with Grandfather and the Interview with God. Two
other pages that would also be good to read before
this page are A Letter to
Those Doing the Healing Work, and A Letter to the Parents of
Creation.
Grandfather, some readers have asked questions you
may be able to answer. For instance, can you give us
more information about this period of massive change
we are in up to December 2012 when the Mayan
calendar ends?
"This is Original Spirit. It is
timely to discuss the general phenomena associated
with what in your terms is called 'the end of
time.' And since you are asking about events that
transcend your present sense of time, some more
clarity about the true nature of reality may be
helpful.
"First it is important to note what
the Spirit of your Creation has already said in this
regard. Your perceptions of manifestation are
necessarily wholly subjective experiences. It is
your awareness that holds space for manifestation,
and this is where it exists. You can experience
only what your perceptions, both inner and outer,
bring to your awareness.
"The popular myth that there is an
objective world that is common to everyone and
that can be known and understood has caused a
great deal of confusion and suffering along
Humanity's journey toward wholeness. The
perception of self as one person among billions of
others in an objective world places your point of
view outside of yourself and perpetuates the false
notion that separation, alienation and
fragmentation are 'real.'
"At a deep transpersonal layer of
your Being, you are creating the world
you perceive. It's as if you are producing,
directing and writing your own movie, your unique
and ultimately subjective 'take' on reality. And
since the true nature of reality is fully
subjective, each living Human will experience the
shattering events at the end of time differently,
and ironically at different 'times.'
"The events predicted for 2012 by
the ancient Maya are not substantially different
than those predicted by sages throughout the
millennia. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu,
Buddhist and other seers have predicted similar
events marking 'the end of time.' And the Maya are
only one of many indigenous cultures that have
spoken of their deeply held vision for the events
near and immediately after the end of time.
"All of these prophecies point to a
relatively sudden awakening into much greater
awareness for some or all of humanity. What has
been well-hidden within the folds of your present
four-dimensional world will be clearly revealed by
the additional Light available in the unfolding of
the new, five-dimensional world.
"In other words, there will no
longer be places in manifestation where denial can
hide. The abundant new, loving Light attracted to
the deeply moving Will in Humans as they go
through these transformative experiences will
reveal what has been hidden from you since before
linear time began.
"One of the first experiences you
will have as you emerge from the vortex of intense
energy in the passage between your enfolded
four-dimensional world and the newly unfolding
five-dimensional world will be the realization
that you were right about everything you believed
and had faith in. And very likely your next
experience will be the realization that everyone
else has been right as well.
"And you will experience even
deeper realizations. The deceptions inherent in
perceiving only linear time have obscured the fact
that everything that has ever happened and
everything that will ever happen is all happening
now. The evolving human mind with all of its
wonderful skills and talents has not been capable
of experiencing or even understanding timelessness
and eternity.
"The Mother of your Creation has
had a Dream for this Creation since before it
began. The
Mother's Dream is that all sentient beings
realize their greatness and live in peace with
complete freedom—free of denial in any form and
steeped in deep and abiding love, joy, passion and
excitement in a safe and harmonious venue of exquisite
beauty and wonder.
A New Kind of Mind
Thank you Grandfather. Would you
please say more about how those who have not
believed or had faith, as we have, will also be
right about what they have believed and held to be
true?
"This may at first seem impossible
to the conditioned mind with its habits of
analysis, evaluation, comparison and judgment
based on concepts of right-doing and wrong-doing,
good and evil, and all other expressions of
polarity and duality. Your new life after the 'end
of time' depends upon a new kind of presence and a
mind with a
new kind of attention.
"There has been ancient
conditioning in Spirit, also very present in
human consciousness, that has instinctively drawn
your attention to conscious thought... and away
from sentient feeling. Without awareness of the
issues caused by the imprint and your own
conscious use of attention, this imprint in
consciousness will not allow you to stay present
within a reality your mind cannot understand.
"For instance, notice how often the
mind has automatically moved you away from
directly experiencing something and into thinking
about the experience—as if the story about it is
more important than the feeling of it. You can
practice using this new kind of attention whenever
you choose to give a feeling your fully loving
conscious presence and choose to honor the feeling
by expressing it in whatever way it wants to
express.
"In order to experience the
realization that everyone has been right to be as
they've been and to have believed as they have
believed, you will have developed the capacity to
stay present with intense emotional and energetic
experiences without any denial. This means with no
comparison, analysis or thought beyond complete
loving acceptance of the experience.
"With this new ability your mind
becomes a channel of fully loving Spirit
empowering the Mother's Will to freely move in
you, just as she desires. Cultivating and
nurturing this kind of attention is key to opening
the portal to your new, radically expanded venue
beyond the present limitations of linear time.
"Since the Mother's Dream and its
unfolding is inscribed in the Universal Will at
the deepest layers of Being, it is here now inside
of you and everyone else, waiting to unfold. The
key is having enough loving presence to allow all
of the energy and emotion in and around the portal
to the fifth dimension to move freely in you.
"Since this kind of complete and
total freedom is simply not available in your
present manifestation of only four dimensions, the
Mother is insisting that everyone in the present
paradigm find deliverance
from its pain and limitations and join with
her and loving Spirit in the full realization of
her Dream.
"The Mother's Dream, however, is
not for only a select few, or for beings only of
this Creation. The Mother of your Creation and my
own Will, Original Will, First Mother are united
in this Dream of Free Will for all beings in all
Creations. My plan
is and has been to fully support Divine Will in
having her way.
"Unconditional loving acceptance of
all beings and their true desires is the Mother's
way. And I can assure you that Divinity will not
let anyone down, everyone's faith and
steadfastness will be rewarded. If there is a
prophecy with any adherents at all who have put
their faith in that prophecy, it will be fulfilled
for them in their venues, at the point in linear
time when they open fully to the universal Will.
"The winter solstice in 2012 is an
approximate date in linear time predicted for the
beginning of a collective planetary event that
will provide enough energy to transport most
Humans to their next paradigm in a relatively
short duration of linear time. And along the way
through linear time from here to there and
afterwards, many 'end times' prophecies will be
playing out in individual venues—and eventually on
the world stage.
"For instance, the Christian
prophecies of Armageddon are already beginning to
be fulfilled for those who believe in them. Many
will see worsening political and economic strife
on the world stage as a cleansing process leading
to the return of the Christ to gather his flock.
And many will experience ascending into the new
paradigm of Heaven in renewed and less densely
physical bodies as they participate in the
predicted 'rapture' where they are drawn into
heavenly bliss to live forever with the God
they've believed in.
"Others will experience the same
disturbing and catastrophic events on the world
stage and in their individual venues as harbingers
of the extraterrestrials
who say they have come to save Humanity and
bring you 'home' with them. And in the newly
expanded universe of five dimensions this will
happen quite easily for them. Those who have
believed for any reason that they will be lifted
out of their 'imprisonment' here on Earth will
experience just that.
"However, a much smaller group of
Humans whose spirits no longer call Heaven or the
Stars their home will remain here on Earth as they
endure the unimaginably intense energy of the
transition while remaining present in their dense
physical bodies. When the dust has settled they
will find themselves on a new Earth and in renewed
bodies capable of manifesting and moving
physically in five dimensions. These Humans will
be the first in this
Creation to experience form change in place
of death."
The Fifth Dimension
Channelers: Thank you, Grandfather.
You mention the opening of another, fifth dimension.
What more can you tell us about that?
"As I have said
earlier, the Creation within which you now
reside is the last or most recent of seven local
universes. Your Creation is where the most dense
and restricted experiences of manifestation can
unfold, and where the most lost parts of Divine
Will can be found.
"The six Creations before you are
progressively less dense and restricted. For
instance, form change and what would be other
extraordinary feats of magic for you presently
have been more or less ordinary experiences for
many creature-spirits in the Creation just prior
to your present experience of manifestation in
your more dense and time-restricted Creation.
"Understanding the manifesting
power available in the 'fifth dimension' is the
key to understanding how form change and other
magic beyond your present imagination can easily
happen for you... when time as you've known it
'ends.' Simply stated, there are more dimensions
available in manifestation beyond the three
spatial and single temporal dimension that have
been available within your own very limited venue
and the 'world' of your agreed-upon 'objective
reality.'
"This very dense and limited
reality has made Creation feel like a prison or
reform school for spirits who had chosen to merge
with evolutionary creatures in manifestation.
Human Beings, as well as all other forms, are a
mixture of the two primary essences of
manifestation, Spirit and Mother or 'matter.' And
all spirits who have come to Earth in human form
have found themselves restricted to only four
dimensions of space-time.
"Some came here originally to
escape unloving Spirit,
some came to explore and enjoy, and others, like
the spirits within most readers of this material,
came here to help. Regardless of their initial
motivation, all spirits coming into manifestation
here felt the deep terror of merging with density
and severe restriction of time and gravity. They
each got caught up in their own karma beginning
with the shock and denials of the intensity, and
became trapped here in what has seemed to them
like an endless series of actions and reactions.
"The various religions and
spiritual paths of Humanity have sought to help
disentangle spirits from form and help them get
free of manifestation so they may once again
return to their 'home' in the Heavens and achieve
the oneness of Spirit they left behind and have
sorely missed ever since coming here. These
teachings have not been wrong, and yet they have
missed the point of why spirits migrated to Earth
in the first place.
"The truth of why spirits are here
and having the experiences they've been having
goes beyond their motivations for coming here.
I've discussed in the introduction
to the Body Class the very good reasons for
things to have gone the way they have in the seven
manifested Creations, including the very difficult
pain and trauma of spirits in Human form.
"One way of understanding why it's
been so difficult for spirits on Earth to work out
their karma is that there has been very little
real space here. Your reality has been folded back
on itself. Imagine a cube made of paper that has
been folded in such a way that it is now flat.
That flatness represents the four dimensions of
manifestation that you are presently occupying.
"Now imagine the paper unfolding
and resuming its proper shape as a cube. While
only one extra dimension was necessary for this
transformation to happen, the additional
possibilities that are now available for the cube
are nearly endless.
"The new dimension that will open
when time as you have known it ends... is a second
dimension of time. The three familiar spatial
dimensions will remain along with your present
linear dimension of time.
"In addition to the human mind's
sense of past, present and future, another
dimension of time becomes available that is in a
way perpendicular to your accustomed linear time.
The ever-expanding present moment is a metaphor
for how this new dimension of time will be
experienced. Please read what Body
and I have already said about the fifth
dimension for more details and
understandings.
"The profound and completely
unprecedented experience of the 'end of time' will
come to each Human when you have become truly
whole, when you have reclaimed all
of your lost Will and redeemed all of your lost
Spirit. And it is not Spirit, it's the
Divine Will, the Mother and Grandmother, the
Universal Feminine within you whose deep movement
of Universal Will opens the next dimension for
your complete and whole Being to unfold in
timeless, eternal presence."
Your Magical Body
Thank you, Grandfather. What can you
say about the individual experience of one's
physical body opening into five dimensions?
"You now are manifesting a temporal
or 'mortal' body which from your perspective is
subject to 'accidents,' death, illness, etc. Death
has been a necessary part of your enfolded and
very limited four-dimensional space-time venue.
And yet deep within you as Body has been a vague,
distant knowing that things could be very
different.
"Children are much more in touch
with this knowing because like all of the Mother's
wisdom, knowledge of these all-but-forgotten
realms can be accessed only through feeling.
Children at play often touch the magic that was
available in the less dense
Creations that have preceded this one.
Memories of magical beings like fairies and elves
and magical creatures like unicorns, and satyrs
still flourish in Humans beneath the surface of
your conscious awareness.
"The opening of the next dimension
opens the opportunity for true magic to prevail on
Earth very much like what was commonplace in your
ancient inklings of magical lands with magical
creatures and beings. Your parental and loving
acceptance of self and others will lead you
naturally to true magic, the ability to manifest
whatever you desire, change form and remain
present in manifestation without need of death and rebirth.
"For this to happen, to survive
this transition in dense physical form as you are
now, in this most dense of all Creations, you will
endure an intensity of energy and chaos well
beyond anything you can presently imagine. Spirit
has spoken of this and other related topics in his
letter to those doing the
healing work.
"The way physical bodies manifest
in four dimensions is very different than the way
they manifest in five dimensions, and the
transition from the old to the new will be
unprecedentedly intense in your experience,
especially for the first few Humans. It will feel
as if all the terror that's ever been denied in
Creation has suddenly become alive and moving in
you as Body. And
yet, instead of your spirit instinctively escaping
all of this intensity, you will remain present and
whole with it. You will stay awake and alive
through it until you own it all.
"Then, firmly planted in a newly
unfolded space-time reality of five dimensions,
you as a sentient Will creature and conscious
Spirit in union will determine the shape and
texture of the eternal moment as it unfolds in and
around you. If new conditions are desired, new
conditions appear.
"The 'laws' of nature that seemed
so fixed and determinant in four dimensions are
still available when experiences like that are
desired. However, that limited reality will no
longer be necessary for you as Body, now at home
in the complete freedom of manifesting
five-dimensional space-time.
"The Mother's Dream includes of
course Original Heart's
desire that your experience of wholeness of
Being be not only yours alone. It speaks not only
of your own wholeness and complete freedom, it
includes the same for others like you. It includes
your peers, completely whole and fully realized
Human Beings who have also loved and healed
themselves so fully... that like you, they are now
manifesting in an timeless magical Body as you
relate together on a completely
new Earth."
Channelers Notes: This interview will continue, and
there is more information about The
Healer's Mind on HealingToWholeness.com.
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