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God, in part two of this interview you said you would next discuss the relationship between Grandfather and the Mother. What can you tell us about this now?

"As I have pointed out, the Mother's Will essence is different than the Spirit essence of Grandfather, the Father, and me. There are many, many separate and individual beings in Creation, each identified by their Spirit essence. And while there are a multitude of spirits, there is only one Mother.

"Grandmother and the Mother are the same being, at different levels of existence. All Will essence is magnetic, and is naturally drawn back to itself. Spirit has caused splits or gaps in the Mother, but being fragmented is not her natural condition. Oneness and wholeness are the Mother's chief attributes, and of course it is now her core desire.

"Although she has many parts that are still split off from her core parental essence, she has been more and more quickly moving back into wholeness. These splits have all been caused by Spirit going into her without her Desire drawing him, against her Will. This is because Spirit that I had denied, mainly Lucifer, had been trying to make the Will align with him and his plans.

"Grandfather has been showing me how to take responsibility for my denials, and how to withdraw my denied bad light from the Mother. He knows much more about her, and Spirit's role in her suffering than I could ever have guessed on my own. This is because he has been in my place himself, and because he's had the advantage of what has been learned in trying to correct his original imbalances through evolution here and in the other 'local' Creations prior to this one.

"As I've said, the first or Central Universe created by Grandfather and the Original Mother provided the starting point for former evolutionary will beings like myself to become creators of their own universes. There are seven 'local' universes all together. This Creation is the most recent and is at the densest level of manifestation. And it is here that Grandfather has found the rest of the Original Mother.

"The most important level of Grandfather's intention in fostering the evolution of will beings was to find and reunite with the lost parts of the Mother that had been fragmented and traumatized in the initial explosion of Creation. And now he has found them, here on Earth and within Earth's own evolutionary will creatures, in other words within you.

Thank you. God, how did it happen that you abandoned your own plan and adopted Grandfather's?

"When I first woke up to what a mess I'd made here, I didn't realize that my narcissism, arrogance and ineptitude in relating with the Mother had been factored into Grandfather's plan. He had expected as much of an evolving Creation, based on his own experience with the Mother, and the experiences of the prior Creations. It was during your last planetary war, in a camp where the prisoners all were to be killed, and many were being tortured as well, that I heard Grandfather's voice very clearly say to me, 'No, my son, this is not right. There is another way.'

"I had my attention focused in a medical area of the camp, observing for the billionth time a phenomenon I had come to know as the 'working out of karma'. Physicians were conducting 'medical experiments' that were actually tortures. I had been in places like this so many times before, watching yet another perpetrator and victim play out the original imprints of Creation. And as always, I was waiting for the realization to strike one of them that they each were both a perpetrator and a victim.

"A soon-to-be new mother was in labor, and the experiment was to find out what would happen if the child could not be born. As the experimenters tied the Mother's legs together and strapped her to the table, they asked themselves, 'Will only the child die? Or will the mother die too? If so, who will die first? And what will be the actual medical causes of their deaths?'

"As I felt into the experimenter's will, I found a deep urge to destroy, to kill. As I felt into the mother's will, I found under the intense horror and heartbreak an even deeper resignation full of despair and hopelessness. It was then I raised my head up and asked a question of the cosmos, 'This can't be right! Why is it still happening?' My question was answered by Grandfather in the way I just described.

"Grandfather's softly spoken words in that moment opened me in a place that I hadn't realized was dead. In that instant I knew the fundamental error I had made very early on. And also in that opening Grandfather showed me the seriousness of how closed I had become to the Mother, and how the suffering she has endured was never her own fault as I had believed, but was caused by my denials. Eons of brokenheartedness on both sides... and mostly held in denial, suddenly came to me in full force. I was transformed as I began for the first time to feel the full extent of the Mother's plight.

"It was a very sudden and very radical shift of focus and intention. You know, evolution doesn't happen gradually. It happens in leaps. In one moment everything is pretty much as it's been. And in the next instant, it's suddenly different. In the evolution of life forms on Earth, for instance, it was in one specific moment on one specific day that one specific creature moved out of the water and onto dry land. Millions of years and billions of small changes and adaptations led up to this, but the actual step didn't happen until it did. And even though outward appearances might not have seemed very different for anyone other than that creature, reality here was forever changed from that moment on.

"Among my realizations in that transformative moment with Grandfather and the dying mother and child was that in truth Ahriman had consumed nearly all of me. Ahriman had me possessed, and had nearly become me. In fact, it had been part of my plan that the 'healing' of the victim-perpetrator gap would eventually happen by it being acted out as I was observing, so I wasn't ready for the shock of realizing that in my denial of the Mother I'd become the cosmic physician/torturer, the worst perpetrator in Creation. I had imagined myself quite differently."

Ouch. God, what else was in your plan before Grandfather got your ear?

"My plan to heal the suffering here, and in all Creation was to foster a deep and pervasive peace on Earth. And then within that peace, the evolution of a rich and fabulous technological paradise. I had come to this plan because each time I'd tried to get the Mother to go along with me in my other plans, the most difficult parts of her either refused to begin, or backed out after we got started.

I decided that I would have to work around her most troublesome parts and leave them behind, if necessary. With my back to the Mother, I focused on helping humans and other beings manifest a paradise on Earth. I thought I could do this without the Mother's involvement, using only Spirit's resources of manifestation.

"I had good reason to adopt this plan, it was very similar to the plans used by the Creator Sons of the other six creations before this one. I believed I was following solid precedence, and doing the homework necessary on my part. I was very frustrated, however, that humans just weren't getting it about the need for peace - and to that end, the healing of the victim/perpetrator gap. Victims remained victims and perpetrators kept on perpetrating. Or so my frustration was saying when Grandfather intervened with me on behalf of the Mother.

"I know now that my penchant for keeping my distance and 'studying' suffering by observing it was really Ahriman in me trying to draw Spirit away from the Mother. And of course it was me avoiding my responsibility as the one who must make the first move in the healing. Grandfather showed me that I had it wrong about karma. He showed me the deepest level of this reality, and I realized then that the victim could never heal her victimhood without first experiencing an end to the perpetration. And stopping the perpetration was up to me.

"The way I'd left things at the Godhead, Spirit would always 'rule', and that meant Ahriman and Lucifer would always get their way during times when my attention was focused as the distant observer. If I didn't take the initiative to make some radical changes, Ahriman would continue to draw me away from the Mother, leaving her with Lucifer who would continue taking her over, torturing her, and trying to make her help him manifest his lust for death and destruction. So it was Grandfather's 'nudge' that got me started here in my new approach to the healing business.

Thank you. God, you've talked a lot about Lucifer and Ahriman in the healing class. Do you have an update for us on your work of reclaiming these previously denied parts of yourself?

"As I have said, my primary focus in the healing now is to bring back my own lost Spirit essence which I'd projected out as Lucifer and ignored as Ahriman. Since Grandfather's help I've come to understand that my healing work is just another level of the work Grandfather has been doing with his own essence, and what is required of all Spirit essence. Spirit must heal its own fragmentation, and the fragmentation is in two dimensions.

"In the vertical dimension the levels of Spirit range from Grandfather through me to the Father of this Creation, and then to your own spirit essence. It is a bit of a misnomer to call these distinctions 'fragments' because they are more accurately 'levels' of Spirit, and they are not separate, but rather form a continuum. The spirit of each manifestation contains within it the Spirit of its Creator, and the Creator Spirit contains within it the Original Spirit that I call 'Grandfather'.

"Although Ahriman and Lucifer are true fragments of Spirit, they also function as a continuum. The horizontal dimension of Spirit goes from Lucifer on my extreme left to Ahriman on my extreme right. I, of course, am here in the center at the balance point between them.

"A metaphor that may help describe this is that of acids and alkalies, the quality of 'pH' in chemistry. A substance that is either too acidic or too alkaline can be harmful for that reason alone. However, if these qualities of the substance are in balance the substance is said to be neutral, and therefore not harmful because of its pH.

"Both the left and right polarities of Spirit are harmful to the Mother. Ahriman and Lucifer have been at battle with each other since the beginning, and Spirit has been pulled off center as they've alternated positions of dominance in their winning and losing. This extremism on the part of Spirit is now ending - as I follow Grandfather's lead in reclaiming lost Spirit, and you follow mine."

"It is too easy to see the splits and gaps in the Mother and assume they are her fault, or at least her problems alone to solve. But she is not alone. Spirit has infiltrated her in ways that she has never had acceptance for. As Lucifer, denied spirit has forcefully opened the Will, and has overridden her and undermined her. And it is denied spirit that continues to perpetrate the gaps in her."

Okay, thank you very much. The healing class has more information about this and how we can begin working together to heal it. But for now God, what happened with the Original Mother and Grandfather?

"Grandfather's first encounter with the Mother ended in disaster on one hand. On the other hand it spawned a perfect Creation of deep beauty and great splendor that sustains itself, and from which has evolved many non-perfect Creations. The disaster was the damage of Will essence in the initial explosion of creation. Most of the magnetic essence that had coalesced around the Light that became Grandfather and the Original Creation moved very, very quickly away from the center of Light. As the Will left the main body of Light, almost every part of her that had become impregnated in the explosion became manifest. Her higher frequency colors manifested as very subtle energy and thought forms, her lower frequency colors manifested as energy and matter in varying degrees of density.

"On the other hand, a 'perfect' Creation was the only outcome possible for Grandfather because all of the Will essence that was left in his Light was aligned with him. A Creation with perfectly aligned Spirit and Will is a perfect Creation. Once it reaches completion, there is no way for it to continue evolving.

"So Grandfather lost contact with all the parts of the Mother that had not been in alignment with him. As he moved closer to perfection, he moved further away from most of the Mother, and in the process became perfectly lonely. He deeply missed her other parts, the wilder and less predictable ones that had attracted him in the first place.

"The parental part of the Original Mother and Grandfather settled down to a long wait for the return of the rest of the Mother through the miracle of evolution. He has learned much in the evolving of seven new Creations, all with free will. And he's always known that the Mother cannot come to him. He's always known he must go to her.

"The good news for us is that this is where she is. The parental parts of her major fragments are right here, in this Universe and on this planet. It's good news for me because now I know what I need to do, and I can stop looking elsewhere for solutions to the suffering in Creation.

"The good news for you is that Grandfather's Plan calls for his reuniting with the rest of the Mother by bringing his very spiritual Creation into deep physical manifestation. The outcome of Grandfather's reuniting with the rest of the Mother is literally the manifestation of Heaven on Earth.

"This is the venue for the realization of Grandfather's plan of an earthly paradise based in true manifestation, eternal life, and ever increasing, evolving goodness. And it's a whole lot better than the plan I had developed for a technological paradise. My plan was essentially a 'work around' for the problems I'd thought I could do nothing about because they were the Mother's. But where my old plan left off is where Grandfather's takes over.

"Probably the best way to understand Grandfather and his motives is to realize that absolutely everything in this Creation, including all of my bumbling, has been foreseen by him. In fact, everything that has happened here has been part of his plan to reunite with the Original Mother. When it happens for Grandfather, it happens for all Spirit. When Grandfather comes to Earth to be with the Mother, he'll find her inside of you. He is indeed waking up inside of me as I am waking within you.

"As above, so below. And so it with every level of reality. As I unite with the Mother of Creation in you, Grandfather unites with the Original Mother. In this way you become whole, and therefore all of Creation. In your New Wholeness, with all of your Spirit aligned with all of your Will, you may choose to manifest whatever New Creation you Will.

"One of the most important benefits of 'driving backward' is that you can trace the causes of things that have happened from their origins in the present - back down through all that's been. With the clear vision of retrospection and without judgment, you can find your own bumblings - and make corrections now, when it matters. Not by looking forward, but only by looking back can you determine where you are and how you've come to be here.

"In finding your way to any specific future destination it's not good enough to know simply where you are going. You must also know where you are now, because this is where the rest of your journey begins. Driving backward into the future keeps your spirit together with the rest of you, here in the eternal present. If you'd like to more quickly find wholeness, I recommend the practices suggested in the Four Steps and related pages."


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