Interview with God
God, in part two of this interview you said
you would next discuss the relationship between Grandfather and
the Mother. What can you tell us about this now?
"As I have pointed out, the Mother's
Will essence is different than the
Spirit essence of Grandfather,
the Father, and me. There
are many, many separate and individual beings in Creation, each
identified by their Spirit
essence. And while there are a multitude of spirits, there is
only one Mother.
"Grandmother and the Mother are the same
being, at different levels of existence.
All Will essence is magnetic, and is naturally drawn back to
itself. Spirit has caused splits or gaps in the Mother, but being
fragmented is not her natural condition. Oneness and wholeness
are the Mother's chief attributes, and of course it is now her
"Although she has many parts that are
still split off from her core parental essence, she has been
more and more quickly moving back into wholeness. These splits
have all been caused by Spirit going into her without her Desire
drawing him, against her Will. This is because Spirit that I
had denied, mainly Lucifer, had been trying to make the Will
align with him and his plans.
"Grandfather has been showing me how
to take responsibility for my denials,
and how to withdraw my denied bad light from the Mother. He knows
much more about her, and Spirit's role in her suffering than
I could ever have guessed on my own. This is because he has been
in my place himself, and because he's had the advantage of what
has been learned in trying to correct his original imbalances
through evolution here and in the other 'local' Creations prior
to this one.
"As I've said, the first or Central Universe
created by Grandfather and the Original Mother provided the starting
point for former evolutionary will beings like myself to become
creators of their own universes. There are seven 'local' universes
all together. This Creation is the most recent and is at the
densest level of manifestation. And it is here that Grandfather
has found the rest of the Original Mother.
"The most important level of Grandfather's
intention in fostering the evolution of will beings was to find
and reunite with the lost parts of the Mother that had been fragmented
and traumatized in the initial
explosion of Creation. And now he has found them, here on
Earth and within Earth's own evolutionary will creatures, in
other words within you.
Thank you. God, how did it happen that you
abandoned your own plan and adopted Grandfather's?
"When I first woke up to what a mess
I'd made here, I didn't realize that my narcissism, arrogance
and ineptitude in relating with the Mother had been factored
into Grandfather's plan. He had expected as much of an evolving
Creation, based on his own experience with the Mother, and the
experiences of the prior Creations. It was during your last planetary
war, in a camp where the prisoners all were to be killed, and
many were being tortured as well, that I heard Grandfather's
voice very clearly say to me, 'No, my son, this is not right.
There is another way.'
"I had my attention focused in a medical
area of the camp, observing for the billionth time a phenomenon
I had come to know as the 'working out of karma'. Physicians
were conducting 'medical experiments' that were actually tortures.
I had been in places like this so many times before, watching
yet another perpetrator and victim play out the original imprints
of Creation. And as always, I was waiting for the realization
to strike one of them that they each were both a perpetrator
and a victim.
"A soon-to-be new mother was in labor,
and the experiment was to find out what would happen if the child
could not be born. As the experimenters tied the Mother's legs
together and strapped her to the table, they asked themselves,
'Will only the child die? Or will the mother die too? If so,
who will die first? And what will be the actual medical causes
of their deaths?'
"As I felt into the experimenter's will,
I found a deep urge to destroy, to kill. As I felt into the mother's
will, I found under the intense horror and heartbreak an even
deeper resignation full of despair and hopelessness. It was then
I raised my head up and asked a question of the cosmos, 'This
can't be right! Why is it still happening?' My question was answered
by Grandfather in the way I just described.
"Grandfather's softly spoken words in
that moment opened me in a place that I hadn't realized was dead.
In that instant I knew the fundamental error I had made very
early on. And also in that opening Grandfather showed me the
seriousness of how closed I had become to the Mother, and how
the suffering she has endured was never her own fault as I had
believed, but was caused by my denials. Eons of brokenheartedness
on both sides... and mostly held in denial, suddenly came to
me in full force. I was transformed as I began for the first
time to feel the full extent of the Mother's plight.
"It was a very sudden and very radical
shift of focus and intention. You know, evolution doesn't happen
gradually. It happens in leaps. In one moment everything is pretty
much as it's been. And in the next instant, it's suddenly different.
In the evolution of life forms on Earth, for instance, it was
in one specific moment on one specific day that one specific
creature moved out of the water and onto dry land. Millions of
years and billions of small changes and adaptations led up to
this, but the actual step didn't happen until it did. And even
though outward appearances might not have seemed very different
for anyone other than that creature, reality here was forever
changed from that moment on.
"Among my realizations in that transformative
moment with Grandfather and the dying mother and child was that
in truth Ahriman had consumed nearly all of me. Ahriman had me
possessed, and had nearly become me. In fact, it had been part
of my plan that the 'healing' of the victim-perpetrator gap would
eventually happen by it being acted out as I was observing, so
I wasn't ready for the shock of realizing that in my denial of
the Mother I'd become the cosmic physician/torturer, the worst
perpetrator in Creation. I had imagined myself quite differently."
Ouch. God, what else was in your plan before
Grandfather got your ear?
"My plan to heal the suffering here,
and in all Creation was to foster a deep and pervasive peace
on Earth. And then within that peace, the evolution of a rich
and fabulous technological paradise. I had come to this plan
because each time I'd tried to get the Mother to go along with
me in my other plans, the most difficult parts of her either
refused to begin, or backed out after we got started.
I decided that I would have to work around
her most troublesome parts and leave them behind, if necessary.
With my back to the Mother, I focused on helping humans and other
beings manifest a paradise on Earth. I thought I could do this
without the Mother's involvement, using only Spirit's resources
"I had good reason to adopt this plan,
it was very similar to the plans used by the Creator Sons of
the other six creations before this one. I believed I was following
solid precedence, and doing the homework necessary on my part.
I was very frustrated, however, that humans just weren't getting
it about the need for peace - and to that end, the healing of
the victim/perpetrator gap. Victims remained victims and perpetrators
kept on perpetrating. Or so my frustration was saying when Grandfather
intervened with me on behalf of the Mother.
"I know now that my penchant for keeping
my distance and 'studying' suffering by observing it was really
Ahriman in me trying to draw Spirit away from the Mother. And
of course it was me avoiding my responsibility as the one who
must make the first move in the healing. Grandfather showed me
that I had it wrong about karma. He showed me the deepest level
of this reality, and I realized then that the victim could never
heal her victimhood without first experiencing an end to the
perpetration. And stopping the perpetration was up to me.
"The way I'd left things at the Godhead,
Spirit would always 'rule', and that meant Ahriman and Lucifer
would always get their way during times when my attention was
focused as the distant observer. If I didn't take the initiative
to make some radical changes, Ahriman would continue to draw
me away from the Mother, leaving her with Lucifer who would continue
taking her over, torturing her, and trying to make her help him
manifest his lust for death and destruction. So it was Grandfather's
'nudge' that got me started here in my new
approach to the healing business.
Thank you. God, you've talked a lot about
Lucifer and Ahriman in the healing class. Do you have an update
for us on your work of reclaiming these previously denied parts
"As I have said, my primary
focus in the healing now is to bring back my own lost Spirit
essence which I'd projected out as Lucifer and ignored as Ahriman.
Since Grandfather's help I've come to understand that my healing
work is just another level of the work Grandfather has been doing
with his own essence, and what is required of all Spirit essence.
Spirit must heal its own fragmentation, and the fragmentation
is in two dimensions.
"In the vertical dimension the levels
of Spirit range from Grandfather through me to the Father of
this Creation, and then to your own spirit essence. It is a bit
of a misnomer to call these distinctions 'fragments' because
they are more accurately 'levels' of Spirit, and they are not
separate, but rather form a continuum. The spirit of each manifestation
contains within it the Spirit of its Creator, and the Creator
Spirit contains within it the Original Spirit that I call 'Grandfather'.
"Although Ahriman and Lucifer are true
fragments of Spirit, they also function as a continuum. The horizontal
dimension of Spirit goes from Lucifer on my extreme left to Ahriman
on my extreme right. I, of course, am here in the center at the
balance point between them.
"A metaphor that may help describe this
is that of acids and alkalies, the quality of 'pH' in chemistry.
A substance that is either too acidic or too alkaline can be
harmful for that reason alone. However, if these qualities of
the substance are in balance the substance is said to be neutral,
and therefore not harmful because of its pH.
"Both the left and right polarities of
Spirit are harmful to the Mother. Ahriman and Lucifer have been
at battle with each other since the beginning, and Spirit has
been pulled off center as they've alternated positions of dominance
in their winning and losing. This extremism on the part of Spirit
is now ending - as I follow Grandfather's lead in reclaiming
lost Spirit, and you follow mine."
"It is too easy to see the splits and
gaps in the Mother and assume they are her fault, or at least
her problems alone to solve. But she is not alone. Spirit has
infiltrated her in ways that she has never had acceptance for.
As Lucifer, denied spirit has forcefully opened the Will, and
has overridden her and undermined her. And it is denied spirit
that continues to perpetrate the gaps in her."
Okay, thank you very much. The healing class
has more information about this and how we can begin working
together to heal it. But for now God, what happened with the
Original Mother and Grandfather?
"Grandfather's first encounter with the
Mother ended in disaster on one hand. On the other hand it spawned
a perfect Creation of deep beauty and great splendor that sustains
itself, and from which has evolved many non-perfect Creations.
The disaster was the damage of Will essence in the initial
explosion of creation. Most of the magnetic essence that
had coalesced around the Light that became Grandfather and the
Original Creation moved very, very quickly away from the center
of Light. As the Will left the main body of Light, almost every
part of her that had become impregnated in the explosion became
manifest. Her higher frequency colors manifested as very subtle
energy and thought forms, her lower frequency colors manifested
as energy and matter in varying degrees of density.
"On the other hand, a 'perfect' Creation
was the only outcome possible for Grandfather because all of
the Will essence that was left in his Light was aligned with
him. A Creation with perfectly aligned Spirit and Will is a perfect
Creation. Once it reaches completion, there is no way for it
to continue evolving.
"So Grandfather lost contact with all
the parts of the Mother that had not been in alignment with him.
As he moved closer to perfection, he moved further away from
most of the Mother, and in the process became perfectly lonely.
He deeply missed her other parts, the wilder and less predictable
ones that had attracted him in the first place.
"The parental part of the Original Mother
and Grandfather settled down to a long wait for the return of
the rest of the Mother through the miracle of evolution. He has
learned much in the evolving of seven new Creations, all with
free will. And he's always known that the Mother cannot come
to him. He's always known he must go to her.
"The good news for us is that this is
where she is. The parental parts of her major fragments are right
here, in this Universe and on this planet. It's good news for
me because now I know what I need to do, and I can stop looking
elsewhere for solutions to the suffering in Creation.
"The good news for you is that Grandfather's
Plan calls for his reuniting with the rest of the Mother by bringing
his very spiritual Creation into deep physical manifestation.
The outcome of Grandfather's reuniting with the rest of the Mother
is literally the manifestation of Heaven on Earth.
"This is the venue for the realization
of Grandfather's plan of an earthly paradise based in true manifestation,
eternal life, and ever increasing, evolving goodness. And it's
a whole lot better than the plan I had developed for a technological
paradise. My plan was essentially a 'work around' for the problems
I'd thought I could do nothing about because they were the Mother's.
But where my old plan left off is where Grandfather's takes over.
"Probably the best way to understand
Grandfather and his motives is to realize that absolutely everything
in this Creation, including all of my bumbling, has been foreseen
by him. In fact, everything that has happened here has been part
of his plan to reunite with the Original Mother. When it happens
for Grandfather, it happens for all Spirit. When Grandfather
comes to Earth to be with the Mother, he'll find her inside of
you. He is indeed waking up inside of me as I am waking within
"As above, so below. And so it with every
level of reality. As I unite with the Mother of Creation in you,
Grandfather unites with the Original Mother. In this way you
become whole, and therefore all of Creation. In your New Wholeness,
with all of your Spirit aligned with all of your Will, you may
choose to manifest whatever New Creation you Will.
"One of the most important benefits of
'driving backward' is that you can trace the causes of things
that have happened from their origins
in the present - back down through all that's been. With
the clear vision of retrospection and without judgment, you can
find your own bumblings - and make corrections now, when it matters.
Not by looking forward, but only
by looking back can you determine where you are and how you've
come to be here.
"In finding your way to any specific
future destination it's not good enough to know simply where
you are going. You must also know where you are now, because
this is where the rest of your journey begins. Driving backward
into the future keeps your spirit together with the rest of you,
here in the eternal present. If you'd like to more quickly find
wholeness, I recommend the practices suggested in the Four
Steps and related pages."
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