Interview with 'the Folks,' Part Five
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Channelers note: For
continuity and understanding... if you haven't
already, please first read part one, part two, part three and part four of this
interview and especially the Channelers' note at the
top of part one. In addition to what is stated
in our note there, we'd like to mention again that
while they are two essences speaking as one, 'the
Folks' refer to themselves individually as 'Spirit'
and 'the Mother.'
The American Election
Channelers: As a reminder for
readers, when 'the Folks' are referring only to
themselves we capitalize 'We,' Us,' and 'Our.' When
they refer to themselves and Humans together, these
terms are not capitalized.
Folks, we've been feeling triggered
about the upcoming American elections this year
(2008). What can you tell us about the transpersonal
imprints that are being triggered in us?
"For most humans, government in any
guise has been an intimidating form. Even when you
have been on the side the government has favored,
you have experienced distrust of it as a form that
has had power over you. There is deep denial of
Will in any form that moves to control behaviors.
"The American elections this year,
as in many other countries recently, have brought
the inner battle between deep parts of Self more
prominently into the world. This is valuable to
the healing work because certain parts of your
deep selves that have been in internal conflict
are now projected out onto the world stage in the
dramas of elections.
has been raging in the deepest layers of Being
since before Earth was manifested. When We the
Creators were completely gapped with no
communication between Us, the beings that We had
created took sides with either one or the other of
"A very deep terror of being
overrun and consumed by the Mother and her intense
emotional responses pervaded the Spirit Polarity.
In reaction to this terror in Spirit, a whole new
class of beings emerged who called themselves 'Father Warriors.' The terror
these beings felt told them that they must control
the Will to protect Spirit from the Mother, and
they moved to do so... in opposition to the Mother
and the Will Polarity beings they perceived as
causing their terror.
"The very fact that there has been
a battle, not to mention the tactics of deceit and
denial used by the Father Warriors, has triggered
deep terror and revulsion in the Mother and the
whole Will polarity. This battle has been
reenacted many, many times in manifestation... and
each time love has been the loser. Even the
'Mother Warriors' who arose to protect the Mother
from the Father Warriors have been using hatred
energy to further their cause.
"This ancient transpersonal hatred
and strife, this never-ending war, has felt good
to a great many humans who have made it their own
at the personal level. There are still many on
Earth who love a good fight, and there is still
enormous energy to prolong the ancient battle of
the Father Warriors against the Will. Almost all
of the strife in your civilization has been in
reaction to the unconscious, frozen terror of the
lost Will in your lower chakras.
"The 'world economy' is another
example of an intimidating form in your
civilization where fear is triggered to help
fortify the position of those who 'own' things.
The perceived need and very premise for
civilization is to protect those who have
ownership of material abundance from those who
don't. And this too has been a reenactment of the
ancient battle the Father Warriors have been
waging against the Will.
"You have been feeling terror and
revulsion in your politics recently because this
lost Will in humanity is being triggered more than
usual. Still operating is the ancient strategy of
the Father Warriors to trigger fear in the
population and then show that only they have the
power to protect the population. This strategy was
used when they first came to Earth and is being
used now to see that their human surrogates win
the current election. Any effort to go up against
this will only trigger more denied terror, and the
Father Warriors will simply use it to show
everyone why they should stay in power."
Thank you Folks, what do you suggest
we do here by way of healing?
"First, find the frozen terror in
yourselves that has been triggered by the world
stage events, and bring the light of loving
acceptance to your own lost Will. You can do this
more easily when you remember that you are truly
safe and that the world stage events are happening
for the purpose of triggering this frozen terror
so that full loving acceptance and healing can
finally come to it.
"As your Will essence begins to
vibrate with your acceptance, you also have a good
opportunity to take your projections off of the
economic leaders and politicians on the world
stage. You can now own them as parts of
yourselves, which they truly are. The Father
Warriors and their strategies of denial are alive
within your deep Being. Bring the ancient war home
to the only place it can be healed, inside of you.
You will be pleasantly surprised by the powerful
results of owning and healing the perpetrators
"The outer political beliefs that
seem opposite of yours are being held inside of
you by parts of yourself that you have been
unconscious of, parts that are still in your
shadow. These are fragments of spirit that can
lead you to the lost Will they have been
controlling. The key to doing this is in your
willingness to own the
perpetrators you've been seeing outside of
yourself as the reflections of bona fide parts of
your whole Being."
Thank you Folks, what else can we do
to heal this gap between loving Light and lost Will?
"You can find the qualities that
you abhor in the politicians and business leaders
you don't agree with, and then find the parts of
yourselves that have had these qualities. You must
of course be honest with yourself, and judgment release is
"Please remember that you have been
innocent all along. There has been much
unconsciousness, and yet evolution happens. All
that has been unconscious is destined to become
conscious. The main issue now is that your Human
identity has been squeezed
into a very small container by the
conditioning of the civilization that has sought
to control you. The time has now come for this
conditioning to move... your full, undenied
greatness is needed for the healing at hand."
The Truth That is Deeper Than Judgment
Thank you Folks, near the end of Part
Four of this interview you said something
similar, that as humans we are responsible for all
that has happened in Creation. At first glance it
could seem that this means humans are somehow at
fault for all the evil that is present on Earth now.
Would you please say more about this?
"First, as We mentioned in that
part, it's important to make the distinction
between 'responsibility' and blame or fault. As
what has been hidden within you comes into the
light of your loving consciousness, you can see
more clearly that there really is no valid reason
for either blame or fault.
"As Spirit has
said, everyone has always been doing the
best they could with what they were working with
at the time. The only guilt or blame that exists
is that which has been held in place by the judgments in imprints.
Since none of those judgments are true, neither is
the guilt or blame.
"The judgments are either directly
released or they spontaneously release as part of
the imprints' healing in the clear truth of loving
Light. Love is what is true, judgments and denial
are not, and neither is the guilt or blame they
hold present in feelings.
"Although it may seem strange to
the Human mind, it is true that everything that
has happened in this Universe has happened the
only way it could have. In other words, everything
has happened just as it was supposed to. This is
important to know because in order to succeed as
the Healer you
will simply have to trust that the Universe has
been good and operating correctly at all times."
The Universe is Good and
Operating Correctly at All Times
"Obviously, there has been a
tremendous amount of evil and perpetration in the
Universe. And not so obviously there has been an
evolving movement to heal the imprints and their
reenactments that the evil and perpetration have
been part of.
"The reenacting of ancient,
transpersonal imprints has been part of a good
Universe operating correctly, moving from pain and
fragmentation toward healing and wholeness. Now
that more Humans have become aware of the issues
and have more and more willingness to heal these
imprints, real healing has begun in many of these
imprints... both in the human healers themselves
and in Creation as a whole.
"In understanding responsibility,
it's important to know that you can be responsible
only when you decide to take responsibility. And
you can heal only what you take responsibility to
heal. Otherwise, the healing of these ancient
imprints is left to someone else. And if there is
someone else who is more responsible than you...
then you would be a fragment of that larger whole,
and therefore not the Healer.
"Wholeness of Being is your
birthright as a Human. However, by its very
nature, it is not something that can be given to
you. Your wholeness and your healing are yours for
the having, and you can have them when you take
full and loving responsibility for all of the evil
and perpetration in Creation... as well as for all
of the goodness and beauty."
You Are the Universe
"To get a feel for this movement,
pause for a moment now... and imagine something
good in Creation. When you have chosen
something... observe it carefully and then say to
yourself, 'I did that.' The 'I' who was speaking
was speaking for the deepest part of your
identity. You were speaking for Us, the Creators
"Now take another momentary pause
and imagine something that's evil in Creation.
When you've thought of something, take a deep
breath... observe it carefully and then say to
yourself, 'I did that.' Again, you spoke the truth
of the deepest part of your identity. This is
where true Human greatness rests, in your ultimate
identity as the Universe itself... all of it,
including all that has felt 'good' and all that
has felt 'evil.'
"Now here is a vitally important
point. The new awareness of your deepest Self as
perpetrator can lead you to one of two places...
the 'courtroom' or the 'classroom.' In the
courtroom you will find guilt for yourself as the
perpetrator, and because that guilt is
fundamentally untrue, justice will be elusive.
This is because the courtroom is about
accusations, judgments, guilt, blame, and
suffering. In the classroom however, there is
opportunity to learn, evolve... and heal.
"If there are judgments to release,
feel the 'bad' feeling and release the judgments.
Then immediately feel back into the feeling
without judgment and come into loving acceptance
of the feeling energy as a rightful part of your
"If deep denial energy is in the
evil you sense in yourself, release that as
well. Then feel back into the feeling
essence that had to hold the denial for so long,
and own that feeling energy too as a rightful part
of your whole Being. And of course you can also
release the denial energy in a feeling by
vibrating the feeling with your pure, loving
acceptance until the denial energy can no longer
"If you are fully identified in the
feeling essence you can move your body and sound
the feeling to express it. Dance and song work
well together to embody the feeling and bring it
fully into manifestation. The denial energy in the
feeling will then spontaneous release as the
feeling's expression moves from tortured
compression to full-bodied joy and mirth.
"As Humans begin to truly heal
their Wills, your loving conscious awareness will
find the right ways to release the denial energy
that has made you unsafe to be with the Mother.
Spirit has spoken more about this whole process of
owning the perpetrator in Redeeming the Devils.
"As you awaken to your true
greatness, you become responsible for what had
always been left to someone else. You, the Healer
are not to blame for the perpetration you now take
responsibility for healing. And again, in doing
this work, the courtroom is not an appropriate
venue. However, the classroom is.
"Although the ancient conditioning
has been deeply entrenched, it can be overcome
with determined perseverance and consistent
self-love. Otherwise you will find yourself once
again in the old default place... the courtroom,
where the imprints keep reenacting and you
continue to experience reversals in your life.
"Instead, use the opportunity of
your new awareness to intentionally foster your
learning and healing. With your attention and
willingness focused on evolving and healing, you
will be able to move more quickly to claim your
birthright... a whole and vibrant Will and her
whole Spirit, loving Spirit... embodied in loving
union with enough vital magnetic Mother energy to
draw into manifestation whatever you truly
Cosmic Human Identity
Thank you Folks, it seems like a good
idea to keep ourselves in constant self-forgiveness
when we venture deeply into the universal shadow.
What you've said also seems to again raise the issue
of identity. You suggest that Human identity is
really a cosmic identity. How can this be?
"The sense of your constant,
unchanging identity is important to keeping you
oriented as the person you feel yourself to be.
The same person who goes to sleep at night wakes
in the morning. However, this sense of being a
separate person who has a life and a personal
history is not all of who you are.
"Your true Human identity is with
life itself. Although it may seem strange to hear,
it is accurate to say that very few Humans have
actually lived. Except for brief moments
here and there, almost all Humans over age five
have been too frightened to venture outside of the
models of reality and the identity that your mind
has constructed for you.
"You have believed yourselves to be
small and unimportant in the grand scheme of
things. And this will remain true for you so long
as you continue to unconsciously honor the
perspectives and beliefs that the conditioning in
your mind has held you to.
"Your true identity is so much more
than you've thought yourself to be. As We have
said, Humans are amazingly vast Beings with
potentials well beyond your present ability to
imagine. You have all of the parts of Deity within
you, and if you choose, you may identify as any of
these parts, or as all of Deity combined... the
whole Universe and its Creators. Of course you
must first leave behind the erroneous old beliefs
from your conditioning and the disempowering
self-hatred they have engendered.
has pointed out that there is a specific
identity in Deity that will serve you well as the
Healer of yourself... and therefore of all
Creation. There is one identity that straddles
both the first and
second attention, and it is the essence of
your humanness as well.
"Your true Human greatness is not
in yourself as Spirit, or as Mother, or as Heart.
Your true greatness is in yourself as Body. Spirit
has said that your
identity is flexible, that your identity is
as you choose it to be in the moment, and that
when you choose to identify as Body, you are
placing yourself in the position of the Healer of
yourself... and therefore of Creation.
"This choice of identity is only
possible if you are not identifying inside the
mind with its maps of pasts and futures and
stories about who you are and who you've been. For
instance, your sense of 'I' living 'my life' is an
example of an unreal, mentally constructed
identity. What you've known as your 'life' is
essentially a story your mind has made up about
yourself as a separate fragment of a larger whole,
'the world.' And this is all that your mind can
know about you... a story about the identity of
the main character in the movie of your life.
The mind cannot know your real, true Self.
"There is much, much more to your
humanness than in your made-up identity as the
person who lives your life. Your true identity is
vast and well beyond your personal story of
separation, struggle, triumph, elation, defeat,
pain and a faint, distant longing for something
you can't quite touch.
"What the mind-made identity that
has been masquerading as you cannot know is the
true nature of reality, just as it is in the
present moment. While you have been asleep
and lost in the mind's models of reality
with stories of past and future, while you have
been living in a dream-like story that you have
come to know as 'your life,' your true Identity
has been patiently waiting for you, always here in
the eternal present moment, just outside of mind.
"However, this does not mean that
your personal, mental identity is completely
unreal. Your old, familiar self is real in that it
is a part of your larger identity. It's just that
this 'self' you've known is not all of who you
are. The small, accustomed ego-based personal self
you've called 'me' is only the tip of a very large
iceberg... the vast, universal Self you truly are.
Grandfather has said, the true Human
identity is timeless, eternal. As a present and
fully whole Human Being, you are what brings
Divinity into manifestation, you are the
manifesting part of Deity, you are Body.
"Trust yourself as Body. When
identified as Body you can quickly rescue the old
conditioned 'you' from the traps of the mind's
conditioning and into full presence in true,
loving, unconditioned reality. Whenever you want
to know how to find the present moment, touch your
body. And then as Body, feel into the quality of
the touch. Until you go back into thought, you are
here now in the one, eternal present moment. And
of course you can do this practice anytime you
Thank you, Folks. You mentioned that
of all of the parts of Deity, Body exists in two
different ways, in both the first attention and
second attention. Please say more about this?
"In what is called the first
attention, you are Body as the physical form that
was conceived by your parents, born on your
birthday and has ever since been growing and
evolving as a part of manifestation. And in the
second attention, at a deeper layer of Self you
are the cosmic Being that is both what manifests
the Universe and is the Universe.
"Words can only be pointers here,
useful as metaphors but not as containers of
truth. The reality of your true identity that We
are pointing to is beyond what words can speak or
the mind can grasp. To the mind this may likely
seem to be a paradox. That is because what We are
saying must be felt to be understood. And
as We mentioned earlier, it is only in the way
something feels that you can truly know it."
Okay Folks, thank you very much.
note: The interview continues:
Interview with the
Folks, Part Six
Interview, Part One ~ Part Two ~ Part Three ~ Part Four
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