Desire and Denial
If you haven't already, please first read part
one of this interview and the channelers' note at the top of that
page. In addition to what is stated in our note there, we'd like to
point out that even though they are two essences speaking as one, 'the
Folks' refer to themselves individually as 'Spirit' and 'the Mother.'
Channelers: Hello again Folks, in part
one of this interview you mentioned the Mother's three desires...
the end of suffering, the return of all her lost parts to wholeness,
and the realization of her dream. It seems there are many more desires
than these. What can you tell us about other desires?
Spirit and the Mother: "Desire is the
essence of Will, and the Mother is parental Will. So, her desires are
parental. However, non-parental Will has been the most prevalent kind
of Will in humans. Non-parental Will has had the desire to escape from the pain and suffering
of the Will polarity by bonding directly with certain parts of Spirit.
In the past Spirit's denials made him all too happy to have the comfort
and reflections of magnetic essence that would align with him on his
terms. Although non-parental Will has been called 'Daughter,' it is
properly part of the Mother's Heart.
"The splitting off of Daughter was
particularly devastating to the Mother, because when she separated, she
took with her the Mother's youthful beauty and vitality. Most
nonparental Will separated from the Mother to avoid her pain, and
particularly the suffering of her lost parts. In doing this she aligned
with parts of Spirit that had also been avoiding the Mother and her
"Recently, as the healing work progresses,
more and more Daughter presence has been maturing. Her desire for
healing has opened the door to her bonding with the Mother and her
parental desires. Instead of continuing to enjoy the pleasures of her
power and privilege as the consort of Spirit essence that opposed the
Mother, this part of Will is now aligning with the Mother. In intending
wholeness and choosing to end suffering, Daughter, the Heart of the
Mother in Body, is now moving into the healer role in Creation.
"This is right place for Heart because the
result of complete wholeness is the realization of the Mother's dream. In the
Mother's paradigm of free will for all beings, parentalness is no
longer necessary. In the realization of the Mother's dream, Heart is
king and queen, and eternally safe to be and to play... without fear of
reversal. Parentalness is necessary only now, while there is still so
much to heal."
Okay Folks, thank you. You mentioned earlier
that desire is the essence of Will. What else can you tell us about
"Emotions are expressions of desire, and
in the case of 'negative' emotions, the expression of the denial of
desire. Deep under every denied emotion is a desire that was denied
first. All of the pain and suffering in Creation is a result of
Spirit's denial of the Mother's essential self... desire. All pain is a
result of desire's natural drawing power being thwarted by denial.
"Desire becomes twisted when it is denied,
and it's in this twisting that Lucifer
and Ahriman have gained their power over
the Will. But the twisting of desire didn't begin with the denials of
Spirit. It began with the Will being attacked by asuras
before Spirit was awake to his own existence."
The Original Denial of Desire
Thank you Folks. What caused the Mother to
be attacked by denial spirits?
"Before anything happened in
manifestation, the Mother was a unified field of indrawing, pulsating
magnetic essence. She didn't 'know' anything about herself, because she
had only sentient awareness. But she
could feel herself, and she enjoyed her pulsating because she sensed it
as desire to draw something to her, even though she didn't know exactly
what it would be. Without the presence of consciousness, she
instinctively sensed that whatever it was, it would in some way
complete her and satisfy her desire.
"Suddenly, she felt something coming
toward her, and with rising joy she opened to receive it. Her joy
quickly turned to pain when instead of her desire being fulfilled as
she'd expected, she received a terrible blow of denial energy that hurt
her deeply. Stunned and in shock, she closed herself... but now with
the burning hatred of an asura deep inside of her.
"That asura, and the many that followed it
used the magnetic essence to empower their quest to return to oblivion.
Whenever she tried to open or move, more intense denial energy was
drawn to her. Caught in manifestation, denial's goal became to use the
Mother's own essence to destroy her... so she would never again disturb
them with her pulsing movement."
Yikes Folks, thank you. What happened as a
result of these attacks?
"With repeated asuric attacks, the Mother
began to fragment. It was of course desire that drew the asuras and
their intense denial energy to her. Some of the asuras found themselves
in the gaps between fragments of the Mother, and others became so
deeply embedded in the Mother's magnetic essence that they have become
enmeshed with her, gradually grinding down her ability to move at all.
In these instances, the Mother's essence has become frozen and cut off
from all Light.
"From one unified field of pulsating,
enticing cosmic desire opening to receive its completion and
fulfillment, the Will of Creation became split into three fundamental
fragments. The singular, core desire is the desire for loving union.
Three fragments of the previously unified magnetic desire essence
resulted from the repeated attacks of denial energy... the desire for
the freedom to have and do what she wants and not what she doesn't, the
desire for the peace of security from attack, and her primary desire,
the desire for loving union with Light.
"Denial further twisted the desire for
freedom of Will into the emotion of rage... the reaction to the
injustice of something thwarting her free Will. The desire for peace
and security became twisted into terror... the loss of peace and
security. And the asuras' denial energy twisted the desire for love
into grief... the loss of love and wholeness."
"A gap quickly emerged between the terror
and rage fragments. The Mother turned against herself as her terror
triggered her rage and the rage triggered more terror. There was
nothing to fight against but herself, and nothing to fear but her own
movement. The denial spirits were getting their way. The Mother became
more and more still... as she learned that even the slightest movement
caused her more pain and damage.
"When Spirit finally did show up, he
wasn't much help. To him, the Mother seemed to be full of problems and
possessed of an evil disposition. Nonetheless, Spirit was attracted by
what was still left of the Will's magnetic drawing power. When the
opportunity arose, the Mother moved to draw Spirit completely into
"Unbelievably intense ecstasy flooded Us
both as We merged in Divine union. Deeply united in each other, We
remembered Our union as Original Heart.
But all of this lasted only a moment.
"As he burrowed deeply into the Mother's
essence, the presence of denial energy alarmed a part of Spirit.
Feeling he was about to be consumed by something that hated him, Spirit
instinctively revved up his energy to escape the Mother's hold on him.
The resulting explosion finished
the destructive work of the asuras. The sudden increase in Light broke
through the enclosing Will essence, severely fragmenting the Mother and
sending most of her parts far away from each other... as Spirit's Light
receded back into the darkness."
Thank you Folks. So the Will's desire for
union with Spirit brought her intense ecstasy, and then sudden, tragic
"Yes, the core of all desire is the
Mother's desire for ecstatic union with loving Light. The fulfillment
of this desire without denial begets New Heart... and loving
manifestations. The ongoing opening of this desire and the willing
fulfillment of it with the unconditional acceptance of loving Light
brings the end of suffering, the wholeness of Will and therefore being,
and the realization of the Mother's dream.
Okay Folks, thank you. How do you suggest we
work with desire by way of healing?
"Every imprint has denied desire at its
core. The healing begins when you have released enough denial energy
and brought enough acceptance to an emotion that you can feel the
desire under it. Ask Us to help you feel
under the emotional energy... to the denied desire that is beneath it.
As with emotions, first release the denial
energy that has twisted the desire.
"When you can feel the unfulfilled desire
begin to move, bring your loving acceptance to it. You are then loving
your desire just as it is, unfulfilled edginess and all. As you bring
unconditional acceptance to your unfulfilled desire on the personal
level, on the transpersonal level Spirit is bringing his loving Light
to the part of the Mother whose desire was originally rejected.
"As you feel into your desire, drop down
to its deepest layer... the desire to be loved. Your Spirit essence is
now loving your Will's deepest desire, and in doing so the desire
becomes activated. Activated desire is the most powerful drawing force
in Creation. It brings you what you want. This is the root cause of
manifestation... desire activated by loving Light manifests what is
desired. The key is in fully feeling and loving your desire just as it
is in the moment, unfulfilled."
Thank you Folks. Are there some desires that
are best left unfulfilled?
"All desires are worthy of fulfillment.
The issue is not which desires to love and accept and which to reject.
Desire is the core of all sentience, all feeling. Any rejected desire
is the rejection of a part of the Mother. In the recovery of all lost
Will, all denied desire must come back into love. The issue is in the
sequence of recovery. At this stage of the healing work, the will to
heal is paramount, and therefore the Mother's parental desires come
first. Finding the Will to Heal is the
first priority in the fulfillment of all desire.
"When the Mother's core desires are
activated with loving acceptance, healing happens. When the Mother's
essence is whole in you, parentalness is no longer needed. All the
nonparental desires can then find their loving fulfillment.
Manifestation is meant to be a playground where being and doing are
fun, not like it is now for most humans... a prison where it's believed
forced labor is required for survival. The fulfillment of all desire,
both parental and nonparental is the foundation of the Mother's core
parental desire, the realization
of her dream."
Embedded Denial Energy
Okay Folks, thank you very much. Earlier you
mentioned a kind of denial energy that has become enmeshed with lost
parts of the Mother. What else can you tell us about this?
"Embedded denial is the reason the
Mother's most lost parts have not yet returned to wholeness with the
rest of her essence, and this has been the most difficult issue in the
healing work. This denial energy has become enmeshed with the magnetic
essence, and therefore it cannot be readily released as if it were free
to leave manifestation.
release nor asura release
can dislodge this kind of denial energy from the Mother's lost essence.
And subtle denial release won't touch
the intense denial energy embedded in these parts of Will until the
denial begins to break away. Embedded denial
has found its way to the very core of these lost parts, as if it was
their essence. Any movement by the magnetic essence causes more damage
to the Will and the denial energy becomes even more embedded.
"When the Will essence can no longer move,
it can no longer draw light to itself and becomes 'lost' to Spirit.
Some of this lost
Will essence has become so impacted with embedded denial energy
that it resists any kind of light. The only way to succeed with this
kind of denial is to remain present at a distance from the fragment
with embedded denial. Slow down your energy and make your light
(conscious awareness) soft and diffuse.
"Your patient conscious presence, at a
respectful distance and intensity, will eventually begin to erode some
of the enmeshed denial and it will flake off in small shards as it
makes its way back to the void. Say, "You may leave quietly now" to the
bits of denial as they loosen and flake off from the magnetic essence.
"In working with this kind of denial
energy, it's important that you have direct communication with the
healed part of the Mother and loving Spirit. In working with this
energy, please ask Us on the inside for
our help and guidance specifically for you and your situation."
Okay Folk, thank you. What is different
about embedded denial that it wants to remain bonded with the Mother
and not return to the void like the other kinds of denial energy?
"There is more to the story of the
original asuric attacks on the Mother. When Spirit had not yet fully
emerged, and the Mother first began to move, a part of Spirit that was
not yet conscious sensed her movement as a disturbance.
"Your ancient symbol of the yin and yang
energies shows that within each polarity there is a small amount of its
opposite. This is true of Spirit and Will as well. There is some Desire
present within Spirit essence, and some Light present within Mother
essence. When Spirit unconsciously felt disturbed, an unconscious,
automatic impulse arose to stop the disturbance. An asura immediately bonded with Spirit's desire
to stop the movement of Will.
"Without being aware of it happening,
Spirit's unconscious desire to not be disturbed combined with intense
denial energy flew out of Spirit and hit the Mother. Now mixed with
asuric energy, Spirit's impulse to stop the disturbance became the
impulse to kill the source of the disturbance... the Mother. As the
Mother sensed this energy coming toward her, she sensed the presence of
her Mate and instinctively opened to him.
"Although she quickly closed as soon as
she felt the incoming denial energy, some of it entered her essence.
Because the asuric energy had bonded with Spirit's unconscious desire,
the Mother was unable to prevent it from further bonding with her own
desire essence. The presence of denial in her essence turned the Mother
against herself, and the situation has become further complicated since
these lost parts of the Mother continue to draw more and more denial
energy to themselves.
"We are very happy that some of you are
now discovering and willingly working with the most lost Will in
Creation. The liberation of the Mother's essence in these fragments of
Will embedded with denial is the most significant recent development in
the healing work. The Mother's dream comes closer now, as some of her
most vital parts begin to return to wholeness with her. Again, please get specific guidance directly from Us
about how to work with this energy."
Okay Folks, thank you very much.
Channelers' note: This interview continues...
with the Folks, Part Three
Interview, Part One
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